Prince Charles tells BBC his Aston Martin runs on wine and cheese

your highness lovely to see you great to see you you’ve said this is a very special place for you in the past you said this is your happy place what is so special about about burke hall and balmoral well i mean one of the most marvelous things is by this river called the mick and it has this wonderful sound of rushing water when you’re in the house it’s very calming and peaceful i think tell us about the arboretum because this is something you planted

this was a rather empty field that the farm didn’t need anything so i thought ah and the great thing was i managed to plant it the same year that my grandson was born the eldest george so i thought i’d call it prince george’s this is prince george’s wife basically it is all of our grandchildren if we’re lucky enough to have that will inherit the earth that we bequeath them won’t they i mean how worried are you about the state of that inheritance deeply worried but i i’ve always felt that we’re over exploiting and damaging nature by not understanding how much

we depend on everything that nature provides and also not understanding or having been somehow trained to believe that nature is a separate thing from us and we can just exploit and control and suppress everything about her without suffering the consequences but if you look into the way nature operates the universal principles which of course the world islam understood so well having inherited it from the greeks and the egyptians is that underlying everything are the fundamental patterns in the universe what we’re doing with our own economy is to disrupt nature’s economy by not following that circular pattern we’ve created a linear one which imagines you can go on forever creating ever more growth and never more you know changing everything you’re shooting

without understanding that actually you have to fit together with nature and the way she does it but because we haven’t done that we’ve caused mammoth disruption and now we’ve disorganized and disrupted the whole planet’s system of them climate regulations that’s what i really minded about and i minded about balance and harmony because i felt that if you push things too far you will always create an equal and opposite reaction which is exactly what’s happened but in the meantime if you’re if you’re the idiot who suggests all this you’re immediately accused of being an idiot well and that is exactly what happened you were you know you were you know you got a lot of stick if you don’t by me saying excuse me yeah well you’ve got a lot of stick for

kind of you know talking about nature talking about the climate i mean you were teased i remember talking to your plants and that kind of thing i mean but you can’t make a joke you see otherwise that’s the other thing did that hurt though did it hurt to get that kind of criticism and be sort of parody wasn’t much fun as you can imagine uh and then of course because i suggested that there were better ways of doing things the nicest possible way and a more balanced and integrated way of doing is accused of interfering and meddling but this is what’s so interesting coming back kind of 50 years later and talking here in this beautiful garden of yours that the narrative has changed you know lots of the things that you said are now mainstream and far too long world leaders are gathering in glasgow to talk about the kind of issues that you would yeah but they just talk and the

problem is to get action on the ground which is what i’ve been trying to do the last 40 years you sound a little bit like greta tumber who said exactly the same thing she said it’s all i don’t you probably saw she said it’s all blah blah blah bill black bladder blah blah blah i mean do you feel that she’s kind of on to something of course but why do you think i’ve done all this for all these years because i’m minded about and always have done the next generations i mean do you sympathize with her sort of the anger that she feels and that she expresses because i knew in the end people will get fed up and all these young feel nothing is ever happening so of course they’re going to get frustrated i totally understand and because nobody would listen and they see their future being totally destroyed what about what about the people who protest what about kind of extinction rebellion can you empathize with why you might go out onto the streets and say take this issue seriously well

absolutely i’ll tell you something extinguished men came and didn’t made a sit-in in my driveway tigers they left a you know letter behind saying very nice things and saying that um you know back in such and such a time you said such and such you were right then in 1970 you said you you were right you were right you were right they gave you congratulations yes i was marvelous that was the right kind of demonstration though but do you understand why they going because of course they do yes but it isn’t helpful i don’t think to do it in a way that alienates people so i totally understand the frustration the difficulty is how do you direct that frustration in a way that is more constructive rather than destructive so i mean the point is that people should really notice how despairing so many young are do you get the sense that that the big corporations kind of know that this is an issue you know not that goes beyond business and is about them you know ensuring there’s a an earth for us all there’s been suddenly a a kind of dam bursting particularly with the investor community who are now being pressured by their investors by their shareholders by all these people to to to make a real difference in terms of sustainable investment opportunities so i remember this is what you said

at the g7 in cornwall was you know it’s all very well talking to governments but that governments can bring billions corporations can bring trillions to the back but the difficulty then is how how do you unlock all those trillions of dollars with the assistance of the public sector that’s the key because at the moment all the different solutions to the problems we face technology in those in other ways and natural solutions none of them are considered economic so let me ask you this is our government doing enough to make these things happen they couldn’t possibly come we’re all struggling to deal with our own kind of dilemmas about our impact personal impact on the environment and it it’s true to say that you’ve got a pretty hefty carbon footprint i mean yes put it like this it must take a lot of gas to heat a palace yes it is but i have tried for a very long time to make

sure that the heating is done in a way that is as sustainable as possible so i mean i put in uh you know biomass boiler systems and then the sailor panels which i’ve managed to get onto clan’s house and at high grove on on some of the farm buildings and every kind of thing like that air source pumps here and there plus you know trying to reduce as much as i’ve got electric cars now it’s been so difficult i can’t do it single-handed one thing that not everybody knows about you is you are a bit of a a clarkson is it fair to say jeremy clarkson really a bit of a kind of petrol head and you’ve always enjoyed cars you’ve enjoyed cars well yes it is but um that was before we knew what the problems were particularly but i my old aston knight which i’ve had for 51 years

that runs on can you believe this surplus english white wine and whale from the cheese process and but you did that a long time ago i’m really keen to know what you think of electric vehicles because i know that you’ve tried quite a few of them yes now you’re not wholly impressed but you like the technology i think it’s fair but i also think that we mustn’t forget the importance of hydrogen in this mix it can’t all be done with electric vehicles there are problems with batteries and you know how you source the materials can you recycle them properly and so at the moment there’s a huge amount of waste which is really worrying in that sense which we could we should be able to reclaim in some way and reuse so what would you say to people watching this

in terms of diet should they be eating less meat should they be flying less flying has been done much less recently i mean most of its people have done things online as i’ve been trying to do trying to get used to that um the business of of what we eat of course is important i mean i’ve for years i’ve i haven’t eaten meat and fish on two days a week and i don’t eat dairy products on one day a week now i mean that’s one way to do it if you did that if more did that you would reduce a lot of the pressure on the environment and everything else so you’re not saying don’t you’re not saying don’t cut it out just be more moderate because you see the thing about meat i think is it’s very important where does it come from how is it grown so if it’s grass-based forage more extensive systems of the right breeds you know if better quality but less often that approach to farming is

is less damaging than the industrialized approach with intensive everything you know and causing huge pressures and damage what can you do if we are still we still have in place endless perverse subsidy regimes we still have subsidies for insane agri-industrial uh approaches to to farming which are a disaster in many ways cause huge damage and contribute enormously to to emissions and we still have in perverse subsidies for fishing in the oceans causing again mammoth damage trawling up the bottom deep towards crazy you’ve made a great case for why we need to take action on this there are some governments that seem reluctant to accept the urgency of this what i mean i don’t want to sing around in well i do want to sing a lot to video countries australia for example what would you say to a government like the government of australia that seems

reluctant to take on board the need to take really serious action on this issue no i mean you gently try to suggest there may be other ways of doing things um in my case anyway otherwise you will not accuse me of interfering you’re meddling don’t you scott morrison the australian pm isn’t even certain that he could make it to the meeting in glasgow i is that what he says he did say yeah he said he spent enough time in quarantine i mean what would you say to world leaders about why they should come to glasgow well that’s what i’m trying to say all the time and and the point being that this is a last chance saloon literally because if we don’t really take the decisions that are vital now it’s going to be almost impossible to catch up there will be people watching this you know this is true who will be skeptical and they’ll say listen the uk produces like one percent of world

emissions other countries aren’t doing their bit why on earth should we make this huge effort and kind of hobble our economies uh for something which ultimately will be useless what would you say to them about why this is urgent and what’s at stake for for them but also for the world it will be a disaster i mean it’ll be catastrophic it is already beginning to be catastrophic because nothing in nature can survive the stress that is created by these extremes of of weather we’re busily destroying still through deforestation and the destruction of of of habitats that are so rap dwindling you know we’re destroying our future by making extinct things that have not been discovered by science we’ve got this big big critical i think it’s fair to say vital conference

happening in glasgow world leaders coming together to make decisions about what they’re going to do in terms of tackling climate change what would a successful outcome be well as i’ve been saying to unlock the the vast amount of money and investment opportunity there is to to make the transition to a more sustainable and a circular economy happen quicker having discussed these issues what would your what would your ideal for a future britain look like what do you want britain to become in i don’t i mean beyond our lifetimes 50 years time i don’t want to offer a hostage to fortune because i should be held so we didn’t happen you know give us just an idea well yes i mean for instance there’s a hell of a lot that it could be like and i think

we should be leading the way particularly in terms of of how we could as an island i’ve always felt that we could have an enormous impact as somewhere which was renowned for its environmental quality the way we farm and the kind of products we produce and how they are related to telling a story about the place the people you know the culture and the traditions of of these areas but also that we have you know restored lost habitat not just planting great big forests everywhere but looking for instance at you know re replacing replanting hedgerows where they were taken out so a lot of parts of britain are just prairie farms we could put that back even just hedgerow trees and hedges they will capture a lot of carbon plus avenues because one of

the things i’ve been wanting to do you haven’t used trees yes i’ve been wanting to help plant avenues of trees which could commemorate all the people who’ve died during this pandemic when you think what a difference you know where urban trees make and yet at the moment councils keep cutting them down and saying they’re getting away all the lighting but we need avenues to be another way and they’re wonderful in the landscape as well can we go and have a look at the chu are they called choke berries but the extraordinary

none of the birds eat them but they are but there are different varieties of them i wouldn’t well yeah sure the better ones they’re a bit bit taller they’re slightly astringent your wrong highness can i say that was a fantastic interview thank you very much indeed for spending so much time with us and it was lovely to see this wonderful garden thank you such such a treat to be in the prince george garden thank you very much indeed i just hope he appreciates it people get older and they suddenly change don’t they really what do your priorities change as you get older don’t you suddenly see the value in trees you  

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